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Need help NOW!!!
Sorry if this is in the wrong section. My maverick that I'm supposed to race the 24th for the HS drags crapped on us. My dad was driving it just after he started it and sat for 5 minutes, he was just down the road not even 1/2 a mile. He shifted into 2nd giving it a little gas but he wasn't gettin on it. Then *pop* and it stalled and wouldn't start. Lately we have been having a problem with it not wanting to start. when we tried to start it back up it was cranking and then there was a squeal sort of noise as if there was a loose fan belt. Now it wont start at all. Could it be a power valve that got taken out with it popping? Its getting fuel and the oil level is fine. Please help asap or I wont be able to race for my first time for the HS drags. Could the dizzy have taken a crap?
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Found the culprit! 5 Teeth got shaved off the dizzy gear. It was a perfect time for it to go because we just got back from buying a trailer in Toledo. It happened just down the road and we just got the trailer so it was perfect.
Justin
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1969 Mercury Cougar xr7 with a 351w (dads, I helped alot)
1970 Ford Maverick with a 302 (became our drag car)
1986 f150 5.0 (my DD)
"Many can argue, but it takes a real man to apologize."-Me
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1986 f150 5.0 (my DD)
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Well good luck. I would highly suggest pulling the timing cover and double checking the distributor base and gear height. Been there on a 351 build and the rebuilt distributors (three tries) had the gears pinned at the wrong height. Took out the cam and bottom eng bearings...
If you broke five teeth, unless the cam is a steel roller I'd condemn it.
Jamie
If you broke five teeth, unless the cam is a steel roller I'd condemn it.
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How do you pin it at the wrong height? Its an OEM distributor but its a comp cams hydraulic flat tappet lifter cam. It was fin before, I think it was just its time to go.
Justin
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1969 Mercury Cougar xr7 with a 351w (dads, I helped alot)
1970 Ford Maverick with a 302 (became our drag car)
1986 f150 5.0 (my DD)
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1986 f150 5.0 (my DD)
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"It was fin before, I think it was just its time to go."
You need to really think about that statement more. The only thing loading that gear is the oil pump. What kills that gear train is the distributor gear moving up and down in relation to the cam or the gear not being pinned correctly. Another thing is if the cam is moving front to rear out of spec will eat the gears.
How do you pin it at the wrong height? By not paying attention when you are doing the build. Same deal for the cam moving.
You really need to check this stuff out or it will bite you square in the arse. My distributors would last 2-4 weeks...
Jamie
You need to really think about that statement more. The only thing loading that gear is the oil pump. What kills that gear train is the distributor gear moving up and down in relation to the cam or the gear not being pinned correctly. Another thing is if the cam is moving front to rear out of spec will eat the gears.
How do you pin it at the wrong height? By not paying attention when you are doing the build. Same deal for the cam moving.
You really need to check this stuff out or it will bite you square in the arse. My distributors would last 2-4 weeks...
Jamie
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Distributors don't just loose teeth, putting a new one in is just a band-aid, find out what caused the problem before more damage gets done.
Also realize that you now have metal debris in the oil pan.
Also realize that you now have metal debris in the oil pan.
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Re: Need help NOW!!!
Also realize that you now have metal debris in the oil pan.
And no telling where else in the engine. How old is that cam?Comp has had a lot of cam failures over the last couple of years but most of that has been lifter failure and lobes wearing down.
I also agree with rancher50 about the gear locations. I've never had the problem but have read where a lot of others have.
There is a diagram somewhere on here I saw just the other day
Tell us more about your Maverick. I have a 72 my kids bought me last year that I am just waiting on some money to roll my way.
She is a real live school teachers car with around 70k on her. Looks rough from sitting for a long time though. I want to go 5.o/4 speed on it but right now it is a 200/c4
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And no telling where else in the engine. How old is that cam?Comp has had a lot of cam failures over the last couple of years but most of that has been lifter failure and lobes wearing down.
I also agree with rancher50 about the gear locations. I've never had the problem but have read where a lot of others have.
There is a diagram somewhere on here I saw just the other day
Tell us more about your Maverick. I have a 72 my kids bought me last year that I am just waiting on some money to roll my way.
She is a real live school teachers car with around 70k on her. Looks rough from sitting for a long time though. I want to go 5.o/4 speed on it but right now it is a 200/c4
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I say check things out like suggested or just roll the dice and risk loosing a motor. Your call.
Distributor gears just dont brake on their own.
Distributor gears just dont brake on their own.
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Re: Need help NOW!!!
As said before, now there are 5 large hunks of metal in your motor. It will cause much more damage. My brother has a Duster with a 440, and the button on the cam sheared off and eventually found its way to the crankshaft, and boom seized the motor. The crank, block, and 2 connectiong rods are now only good as a boat anchor.
My 63 Dart once had a problem with the distributor gears being sheared off. So I probably replaced 3 gears on it. They are plastic, and all the teeth would stay on the gear, just hanging on by a thread. Finally, I was swapping one out, and I spun the distributor, to see if I could find any issues with it, and soumeting bound up and it stopped. I replaced the distributor, and never had another problem.
My 63 Dart once had a problem with the distributor gears being sheared off. So I probably replaced 3 gears on it. They are plastic, and all the teeth would stay on the gear, just hanging on by a thread. Finally, I was swapping one out, and I spun the distributor, to see if I could find any issues with it, and soumeting bound up and it stopped. I replaced the distributor, and never had another problem.
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I found out that the gear on the cam got messed up to, so I'm buying a new one that's the same exact cam and upgrading to a Pertronix distributor. Physically, how do you pin it at the wrong height? we tore the front end apart and flushed the oil pan out. I guess I'll have to check the oil pump out by priming it.
Justin
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1967 Ford F100 longbed with a 466 500+hp/600+ft-lbs (mine)
1969 Mercury Cougar xr7 with a 351w (dads, I helped alot)
1970 Ford Maverick with a 302 (became our drag car)
1986 f150 5.0 (my DD)
"Many can argue, but it takes a real man to apologize."-Me
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1969 Mercury Cougar xr7 with a 351w (dads, I helped alot)
1970 Ford Maverick with a 302 (became our drag car)
1986 f150 5.0 (my DD)
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Well in theory the gears are set just like the pinion gears in your diff. The contact pad should be in the center of you gears.
I have never gone to this level of detail on my motors before, so I can tell you HOW to check it, only what it should be. Sorry.
I have never gone to this level of detail on my motors before, so I can tell you HOW to check it, only what it should be. Sorry.
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Went to prime the oiling system for the new cam and distributor, it was completely locked up. Plus we found this.
Justin
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1967 Ford F100 longbed with a 466 500+hp/600+ft-lbs (mine)
1969 Mercury Cougar xr7 with a 351w (dads, I helped alot)
1970 Ford Maverick with a 302 (became our drag car)
1986 f150 5.0 (my DD)
"Many can argue, but it takes a real man to apologize."-Me
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1967 Ford F100 longbed with a 466 500+hp/600+ft-lbs (mine)
1969 Mercury Cougar xr7 with a 351w (dads, I helped alot)
1970 Ford Maverick with a 302 (became our drag car)
1986 f150 5.0 (my DD)
"Many can argue, but it takes a real man to apologize."-Me
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Forgot to add, now the distributor wont go all the way in. Not even the OEM one.
Justin
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1967 Ford F100 longbed with a 466 500+hp/600+ft-lbs (mine)
1969 Mercury Cougar xr7 with a 351w (dads, I helped alot)
1970 Ford Maverick with a 302 (became our drag car)
1986 f150 5.0 (my DD)
"Many can argue, but it takes a real man to apologize."-Me
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1967 Ford F100 longbed with a 466 500+hp/600+ft-lbs (mine)
1969 Mercury Cougar xr7 with a 351w (dads, I helped alot)
1970 Ford Maverick with a 302 (became our drag car)
1986 f150 5.0 (my DD)
"Many can argue, but it takes a real man to apologize."-Me
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Should once you replace the seized oil pump, so the drive socket in it can turn to match the shaft.
Hate to see the barber pole shaft man. Been there a time or two.
Glad you took the time to try and prime it!
Frank
Hate to see the barber pole shaft man. Been there a time or two.
Glad you took the time to try and prime it!
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I tried to prime the one already in it. It must have locked up and caused the teeth to get shredded off. Were replacing it of course.
Justin
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1967 Ford F100 longbed with a 466 500+hp/600+ft-lbs (mine)
1969 Mercury Cougar xr7 with a 351w (dads, I helped alot)
1970 Ford Maverick with a 302 (became our drag car)
1986 f150 5.0 (my DD)
"Many can argue, but it takes a real man to apologize."-Me
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http://s976.photobucket.com/home/bb429power/allalbums go to both of the albums.
1967 Ford F100 longbed with a 466 500+hp/600+ft-lbs (mine)
1969 Mercury Cougar xr7 with a 351w (dads, I helped alot)
1970 Ford Maverick with a 302 (became our drag car)
1986 f150 5.0 (my DD)
"Many can argue, but it takes a real man to apologize."-Me